I mean the basic logic of the service was designed somewhere before its release. Data policies, promises to users are nothing if you assume services should adapt to stuff like this, at the expense of breaking those policies and promises.
Here is an old article from telegram about reasons for how it works https://telegra.ph/Why-Isnt-Telegram-End-to-End-Encrypted-by-Default-08-14
No, just personal experience (I use telegram for many years) and absence of server data implications anywhere across the issues in the past (at this time too). You can find questionable or illegal businesses in telegram with a few words, they are all public channels. Hence “no moderation” accuses mentioned in every article.
There are of course darknet-like private communities, but I assume they are not a subject of interest at this time. Authorities would need to dig very deep past all the obvious illegal stuff, and telegram shouldn’t care about resources consumed by such a small chunk of user base. Those groups will stay, as they are, private and safe, I assume, for quite some time.
Assuming things should work that way is ignorant. According to you, service owners should design and redesign their services to not store any data in order to avoid arrests. Also that a service owner should invent stuff they might not had a plan for if they have even a theoretical possibility to help identify individual users, in other words go against policies they designed at some point.
That’s a wild way of twisting the logic. Just because the platform doesn’t fall under your e2ee definition doesn’t mean they had to do something that is only possible on purely cloud services.
The reason for arrest doesn’t even have anything to do with encryption. All content that facilitates mentioned crimes is public. Handling it shouldn’t involve any backdoors or otherwise service-side decryption.
Wording is confusing. Here are some better takes that sound valid and are true:
Telegram’s e2ee is only available for chats of 2 people, and only on official mobile client.
Telegram’s e2ee is a feature you have to enable whenever you need it (called secret chats).
It’s barely anonymous, and poorly encrypted. The latter is the reason Durov is in custody
There is no logic here. If it was poor it would be very easy to track anyone including criminals. You can check the news to find the reasons.
There have absolutely been cases where a backdoor/weakness/lack of encryption used to catch criminals before
I meant telegram related cases.
Some are staying safe, others are being caught precisely because of this.
I didn’t see any proofs of that.
Using better encryption schemes is definitely part of that.
Part of what? I don’t get the point here.
is not any different from just having TLS for transport
Yes, in simple terms, all encrypted transfer protocols are similarly protected from mitm attacks.
That just means that they store both your data in some encrypted way and the key. They can still read it trivially.
They can and they said the decryption keys are always kept separately (there are probably more layers than I can describe) from the data to make sure the servers are not used to decrypt the data locally. They can be lying for all I care. The bigger problem is that people somehow assume this a huge threat, while all previous cases didn’t involve anything like that. People are getting into trouble for their public content - protected by some encryption but visible to anyone interested (who then report it to oppressive authorities).
While some go extra mile to explain to you how you should use e2e for your family group chats, real criminals do their stuff everywhere (especially on telegram) for years, staying safe. Problem is not how weak or strong the encryption is, but that once you are under oppression and do opposition activities, you’re going to learn by yourself how to deal with it. Signal will not save you from people in your group chats if they are there to report on you.
That’s not correct. Toy may call it TLS but it’s a custom protocol. Data is not kept unencrypted on their servers, according to their docs.
Companies mentioned in an article you linked aren’t getting the cash flow enough to warrant any improvement in related economies. I see Russian politicians profiting off various things during war but they were doing the same before.
So, short effects of the war on economies are not worth the long term effects of deaths of many consumers anywhere. Using the “war helps economy” argument while forgetting how the deaths and active aggression affect the world and lives, is a manipulation, which is also heavily used by those aggressors (Russia).
Telling Israel is doing a genocide without mentioning what hamas were doing to Israel is also a manipulation.
Worldwide governments seem to have an interest in this war because they are doing everything to fuel it.
Bingo. This nullifies your credibility. Either you’re a troll or an idiot.
Basically, a corporation owning such an open source project removes almost all positive things associated with “open source”. They’re using it for “look we are good” much more than for “we actually care about open source community”.
On April 16, 2018, the Russian government began blocking access to Telegram, an instant messaging service. The blocking led to interruptions in the operation of many third-party services, but practically did not affect the availability of Telegram in Russia. It was officially unblocked on June 19, 2020
Some say it was unblocked because they made a deal with Durov. Another opinion is that too many people and services including officials continued to rely on it even during the time it was blocked. Regardless, Telegram did a huge job on circumventing those blocks.
Because that leads to the degradation of the software? Or because they provide most of the valid feedback? Or because that would help more users become more advanced?
You said there are too many stupid users, then you said the software has to suit them. I see this as a problem when software targets stupid users because then the rest suffer from it being less convenient for them.
Also I think it’s hilarious how things become more complex for developers who should actually have the power to fork things in order to make them more suitable for advanced users. And apple is a good example of that. I would be a huge iphone fan if it wasn’t a walled garden in software terms.
I know. This is not about how dumb users are, it’s about how dumb the software becomes with time.
I think most things in browsers got degraded thanks to Google, but also due to that specific way of thinking.
I use the one from portableapps because I can’t stand going into appdata every time I need to change something.
Both of those mean you have to own a physical thing. Store services are basically backups for cases when you stop owning a physical thing for a while.
As a long time user of sidebery I actually want to check out the native implementation at some point. Maybe it works with less lag and consumes less RAM.