I haven’t quite understood, what LiveKit has to do with video conferencing. Isn’t that just some weird AI thingy?

Servo and Ladybird can’t come fast enough man. I hope, that they are mature before Mozilla inevitabley crashes into the fucking ground.

I actually think servo has a much better chance of making it, because it is better managed, supported by the Linux Foundation and their lead devs don’t give weird right-wing vibes like “Andreas Kling”.

I think this model, however it may work will still be better than what we have currently though. If we can even attempt to charge AI-companies for the training data, that would be a huge step. Because the current model is just they take everything, that they can get their hands on.

And if that makes AI-devellopment ecomically unviable, that’s a really good thing

I find it incredible, how uncharitable some of these comments here are. As an open source contributor myself, I also really don’t like the fact, that my work just gets stolen and profited of by big companies without my permission.

Even the nicest, most idealist engineer still needs to be able to live from his work. I am not saying he is, but he is completely within his right to protect his work from abuse.

Free software shouldn’t mean, that every company can use our code in any way, they like and open source licenses still have terms, for example copyleft licenses, like GPLv3, still require work, which is based on that code to be licensed with the same terms and appropriately credited. AI companies are clearly not abiding by these terms and aren’t really prosecuted for that.

We should be angry at the companies misusing our work instead of open source devs who have had enough.

I think this guy just wants to be payed for all of his work. If big companies start to skip the part of even crediting him for the that they stole without his permission, I can understand his decision to deny them that ability.

Yeah, that would kind of be my plan: To ask in one post for submissions, filter out the valid ones and then let the community vote on only the valid ones. I hope, that the mods will accept the results though, for that to work, we need big support from the community, so that I have a convincing argument

How would you know that?

Well, of course everyone that disagrees with these people is a bot, lol

Nope, you can’t train a good diffusion model from scratch with just a few thousand images, that is just delusion (I am open for examples though). Adobe Firefly is a black box, so we can’t verify their claims, obviously they wouldn’t admit, if they broke copyright to train their models. We do however have strong evidence, that google, openai and stability AI used tons of images, which they had no licence to use. Also, I still doubt that all of the people, who sold on Adobe Stock either knew, what their photos are gonna be used for or explicitly wanted that or just had to accept it to be able to sell their work.

Great counterargument to my first argument by the way 👏

Well, but you are not of an opposing ideology, your sub is called “ask Lemmy”, not “ask AI obsessed people”, so your definition doesn’t even make sense. I honestly don’t understand why you people insist on painting me in such a negative light, just because I am new. That is called bullying by the way. I didn’t even intend this thread to blow up in such a way, I guess a lot of people seem to care.

You know that the painter behind a stary night is long dead and this work is public domain, right?

It’s not about anyone getting paid, it’s about affording basic respect and empathy to people and their work. Using AI sends a certain message of 'I don’t care about your consent or opinion towards me using your art", and I don’t think, that this is a good thing for anyone.

Well, obviusly I care. I joined Lenny today, yes. I joined this sub and was immediately a bit disgusted by the banner. So I made a post about it. Why do you care if I care then?

Well, you didn’t even make it or anyone, an AI made it. Kindness towards artists and not kindness towards people using their art without consent.

Yes it does, for the reasons I mentioned

Uhm, yeah… That was the whole point, I was making.

Yeah, maybey it would be a good idea to have a new community vote. Can I just start that or do I have to ask the mods or something? I am pretty new to Lemmy, so I am not really shure how this works.

I think it looks cool to be honest, why not?

Well, I guess you don’t have to. I just think it’s a bit depressing and also pretty disrespectful to artists (I think, I laid out pretty clearly, why I think that). Now, if you don’t care about any of that, I can’t stop you, I guess, this was just meant to be a friendly proposal.