Sealarious! Paint me in any outgroup you want. Sea lions always try to prove they aren’t with more sea lioning.

You sneaky little dumpling, you won’t get me with that!

My favorite part about watching you talk to people is how you just ignore the parts you don’t wanna talk about, I honestly love it!

They censor by closing off, ya’ll censor with aggressive modding of dissenting opinions, ya’ll are both the same. I’m surprised both instances don’t get along more.

Yes, world blue magas weirdos are just as closed off and strange as ya’ll, that’s true!

We’re all trapped in the zoo, my friend. The illusion is that none of us are caged.

Lmao, did I get you so bad with that last one you quit for the day to prove me wrong? You are replying to a modded comment, proves my point internally, which is all I need.

Or maybe ya’ll just mod off the word everyone calls you based on how you think and act online, for me it’s asshole, for you it’s tankies. Ya’ll just hate the label but don’t realize how much everyone has you clocked because of the small, highly censored, walled garden. ML is a tankie zoo.

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Honestly the only difference between the quibbling you do with language and those blue maga weirdos on world is that you rep a different politics.

The chronically online weirdos on world don’t like the chronically online weirdos on ml. They are both chronically online weirdos and I try to view these really active communities or names I recognize like a zoo. These people are throwing shit at eachother for our amusement. Keep it separate.

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I know this is the argument people think is the most compelling. But in reality, this is not hitting with the electorate. Calling him weird was much more effective. Even post Jan 6th!

Trump bad, Trump fascist, for some reason that’s preaching to the choir; the urgency is already felt with the people who are gonna feel it. The campaign could realize this, and could pivot and focus entirely on abortion and economy, because they won’t touch the war. But Kamala is currently stumping with Republicans on a “Trump Bad” ticket. Fuck the Cheneys.

Basically Trump = fascist, even if true, is ineffective, and is losing the election as Trump picks up immigration votes from minorities and protest votes from Muslims.

Lol you think I’m white.

Next thing you know you’ll be telling me you can’t be racist cause of your white friends.

Uh hu, are the white supremacists who came up with the verbiage you don’t like in the room right now?

Yeah chattel slavery was super bad, maybe uniquely bad, that really doesn’t say anything about all slavery, which is also bad, no real reason to split hairs expect you specifically don’t want to be associated with white people, I guess. I would call that racism honestly. Would you call that Asian supremacy?

“OUR SLAVERY ISN’T AS BAD, AS THOSE YUCKY WHITES!”

I don’t know that Muslims are white tho… So that’s not very careful about language.

I don’t generally split hairs on enslaving people to make a racist argument that my people are better in some way cause they might have treated their slaves better in some circumstances, that’s legit crazy. To the point where I try to reject proper verbiage because it paints people a color I don’t like.

If I had a choice to be a slave, would I prefer being an Asian woman being group raped by Asian men until death, would I rather be castrated and worked to death in persia, would I rather he worked to death an whipped on a plantation, would I rather be a house slave for the Ting (which by the way they said they were very nice to their slaves and I bet they was never a bad experience!), would I rather be a Chinese space to the Khan?

None of those sound good, none of them sound like a race is better than the other, you are making a racial argument based on the nuances of slavery and it’s kinda silly!

Racist.

Do I put a value difference between the Atlantic slave trade/chattel slavery and the sexual slavery of the Vietnamese women, or Korean women? No I guess I don’t! Every version of slavery is both abhorrent and devalues human life, and a well kept slave is functionally still a slave.

I feel like you just ignored any examples that do meet your criteria cause you desperately want Western slavery to somehow be worse than Eastern slavery.

Honestly just sounds like exceptionalism to me. Again, sounds like you are a racist.

This is so interesting, honestly your arguments are so all over the place it’s hard to keep up. So you think the idea of humans as personal property was a Western invention that specifically the East Asians didn’t engage in? And you are using the transatlantic slave trade specifically to point that out? Are you arguing that Asian slavery is better because slaves occasionally had rights?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Asia

I think the slaves of the Khmer might disagree with you most recently. It’s well known the Tang dynasty in China kept Western slaves. What are you trying to say?

We’re just arguing semantics at this point, I’m not arguing the transatlantic African slave trade (a period lasting from the 16th to the 19th century you silly man) wasn’t largely European and evil, of course it was! Everyone in the West who engaged in it was terrible, it may have even been uniquely terrible.

The African slave trade has been active through the Arab Muslim world since antiquity, of the slave routes during the transatlantic period, three went inward into Asia via the Muslim world, the red sea, the Indian sea and the trans Saharan route (this route being used since antiquity).

Here I’ll link a Wikipedia for you! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

Where do you think the Chinese were getting these magical Kunlun slaves.

I’m just responding to the weird ass arguments you’re making with all the century shit, the definition of chattel slavery isn’t the transatlantic slave trade, it’s using humans as a commodity, which again is and was worldwide. The transatlantic slave trade was chattel slavery, and Asia did participate in one of the most brutal parts of it through the Muslim world. None of this is a secret you know!

I think you are trying to exact a revisionist history on slavery and racism. Asians engaged in the chattel slavery you mention in the 18th century, they also engaged in just plain old slavery. There are still millions of slaves today in Asia. This is a weird argument to have with someone.

Chattel slavery was not a Western only concept, you may ask yourselves why the Asian continent is not filled with the children of black slaves. That’s because slaves that were imported to Asia were generally castrated. Used them up, let them die, get new ones, no breeding programs.

Whenever someone spends this much time trying to convince me that their feelings about other ethnic groups are not racist, because racism was invented by the West, I figure they are just trying to desperately hide their racism.

Edit: I’ll be specific for you, specially black slaves entered east Asia through the Arab corridor, the Arab states were the one’s collecting and castrating black slaves, many black slaves also made their way from European traders as well. I’ll even give you some verbiage to look up. The Kunlun slaves. There has been exploitation of indigenous dark skinned tribes for a long long time.