Is this a Jreg video?

For people who are interested in the same things I am to glow faintly, the more similar interest, the more they glow.

Nah, the bloodstains on the floor are from the reaper’s scythe cutting them in their big toe.

Honey, where are my paaaaaaaaaaaaannntttssss?

I am so confused…

Arguing that capitalism being allowed in China makes it capitalist would be akin to arguing that having social services such as public healthcare makes Canada communist.

I’d totally argue that having public healthcare, publicly-owned infrastructure, makes Canada or the US socialist lol. Technically the “workers” don’t directly own the particular publicly-owned means of production, but they definitely do have a say in how it is run through their vote.

Anyway…

Given that you say China is socialist (which seems insane given it is literally an authoritarian state: the workers don’t own the means of production, the state does!), my original question:

“Can you point to an example of a socialist country (by your definition of socialist) that is superior in a certain industry innovation-wise compared to a capitalist (by your definition of capitalist) country?”

Seems kind of stupid given that China is definitely leading in certain industries compared to more “capitalist” (US, EU, etc.) nations. (Mainly manufacturing industries).

So I’ll ask a different question.

Given all the pro-china arguments you’ve listed. Would you want to live there if you got the chance? And if so/if not, why?

I understand how capitalist competition often ends in monopoly, at least until the government steps in with anti-trust or there is significant innovation to undermine the monopoly. I wouldn’t say this is the defining characteristic of capitalism because I use the word to describe countries that aren’t total free markets because there aren’t any countries that have totally free markets.

You didn’t answer my question though, you just gave a list of countries (some of which, like China, I question are socialist at all). Are there any countries where “working class holds power, and the core economy of the country is either publicly or cooperatively owned” that have out-innovated countries that use capitalism?

What is the primary force that spurs innovation in a socialist country and how does it compare to the force that spurs innovation in a capitalist country?

Perhaps you are right, but wouldn’t the perfect health pill help with that?

The Joy of Abstraction by Eugenia Cheng

Category theory is awesome!

2: This is genuinely a curse; You will remember every little thing that happens to you and it will haunt you forevermore.

Wouldn’t perfect memory recall just let you recall memories, not necessarily be forced to recall them? Whether or not you chose to do it or it haunts you seems more like a matter of mental health…

Can you point to an example of a socialist country (by your definition of socialist) that is superior in a certain industry innovation-wise compared to a capitalist (by your definition of capitalist) country?

Also, Idk what you define capitalism as, but I’m pretty sure meriam webster doesn’t call it “a system for concentrating wealth”. That might be a common result for many types of capitalism, but it is not the defining characteristic.

How about not ending capitalism, but trying as hard as possible to anticipate and balance the negative effects of wealth concentration with the overall beneficial effects of competative innovation?

They fixed it recently I believe.

I be a Cruel Temptress… what would I do?

Sir, This is America

Decartes when you don’t define what it means to think:

boop noodle?

What makes someone a criminal in war? 🤔

Did you even read my comment? What do you say about the issue of harmful federation network effects or corporations’ incentives to embrace, extend, and extinguish?

People are just too stubborn to even think about switching services. We need to keep this bar very much low, so it is easier for them.

Lemmy is not a corporation, it is an open source decentralized platform. There is no inherent reason for the platform to try and get as many users as quickly as possible. And if we did federate with meta, that would only hurt the prospects of getting new users because users on meta who like the idea of federation wouldn’t feel the need to make a new account because they’d already have access to the fediverse through meta’s servers…

I’d argue that we need to be blocking them now, and then perhaps consider unblocking if we grow large enough.

Not blocking early is what XMPP did and it was basically destroyed by google’s disproportionate network effect: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

I can see something very similar happening to lemmy, where instead of letting communities grow naturally on separate instances into hardened, well moderated, popular communities, facebook’s version of “lemmy communities” will take over the All page for everyone, all the time, with facebook-controlled content, simply because their userbase is so large that no other lemmy community could compete with the upvote counts. That’s just one way network effects could screw us over, who knows how many different ways facebook could extend and extinguish the decentralized nature of lemmy like google did to XMPP…