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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.mlVote blue no matter who!
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    1 month ago

    Thanks for the civil conversation, this gives me hope.
    Nice that some people have an open mind and are willing to be sceptical, look up sources and learn without blindly accepting what their side tells them.

    Here’s some background:

    The Ukraine fascist problem goes back all the way to WW2.
    Even before it was finished US/UK started to save nazis to use them later against the Soviets.
    After it was clear they would win the war after the battle of Stalingrad 1943.
    This has been largely swept under the carpet.
    Most of them in the west got rehabilitated and even kept in important positions. Not in the least in NATO.
    And are we the good guys when we had no trouble accepting fully fascist regimes in NATO?
    Spain, Portugal, Greece and more.

    Everyone more or less knows about Project Paperclip to use nazi scientist.
    Which is despicable but in some way understandable.
    But it goes much further than that.
    Here is a good read on the ratlines that were established.
    And why would they save thousands of the worst Ukrainian SS Galicia troops and evacuate them to England and later Canada?
    The results and the ideology of their offspring is still strong.
    Also check out the rest of that sub, it will surely debunk the ‘no nazis in Ukraine’ mantra.
    Declassified document showing CIA supporting post war fascists in Ukraine.

    And those efforts kept going leading to the coup.

    Always ready to answer questions.
    Have a nice day.


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    1 month ago

    You sound like a reasonable person and don’t resort to insults like most other ones disagreing with we.
    I usually quit when they call me a nazi or the opposite, a tankie.
    You seem willing to listen and learn.
    There is a very strong nazi presence in ukraine, not just the AZOV’s.
    An estimated 30% and they have a great influence.
    The reason Russia invaded was bcs they had no other choice, it was an existential threat.
    There was a textbook paid and organised western coup, not a revolution.
    The parts of ukraine (40%) with ethnic Russians didn’t want to live under their rule and be discriminated or even ethnic cleansed.
    They resisted.
    The east succeeded bcs close to Russia and they got weapons while in the south protests got brutally beaten down, culminating in the deliberate burning of the union building killing 47 people by the armed fascist thugs who were sent there from Lviv.
    Russia didn’t have many demands before, mostly that they not be in NATO and rights for the ethnic Russians.
    Letting the Banderite government (chosen by the US as proven by the Nuland-Pyatt call) take all Ukraine would simply be indefensible since nukes in ukraine would be right next to Moscow.
    Don’t forget that just before the US unilaterally broke the missile treaties and put them in Romania. They are always threatening them, always have.
    There have been plenty of warning from Russia, red lines are just that. NATO can not expand further than that. Yet NATO kept pushing.
    Another reason was the fascists were going to finally launch their ethnic cleansing offensive.
    They admittedly broke the Minsk accords (even Merkel said it was just to buy time), eventually had the largest army in Europe with western help and even by the reports of the OCSE they massively (98%) violated the ceasefire with the eastern Donetsk/Lugansk resitance.
    So Russia intervened.
    For all I’m saying there is proof to back it up.
    Even from western sources.
    I hope you look it up.


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    1 month ago

    "It just seems absurd to me that so many people in such a populous country are so uniformly super-conservative. "

    I think you might be young and inexperienced in (geo)politics.
    Otherwise you would know that people tend to rally around the flag and support strong leaders in times of trouble.
    despite not being a fan of their usual politics.
    US presidents not sure of getting re-elected can just start a war and their approval goes up astronomically.
    In Russia I believe the communist party scores in the high 30%, the biggest opposition.
    Not exactly conservative.
    I think you are also misinformed about the USSR, they were progressive in many ways.
    It had more rights for minorities decades before the west, and many black Americans prefered to live there after being discriminated in their own country.
    Also consider the times when talking about LGBTQ rights.
    Nowhere in the world did they get treated right despite being officially decriminalised.
    Which was the case (for a period) even before Stalin in the USSR, while the US did it in…2003.
    Plenty of other aspects, such as women’s rights, workers rights were vastly more progressive than anywhere in the west. Swiss women didn’t gain the right to vote until 1971
    Again you’re focussing on LGBTQ while they were also wrong just like most other countries decades ago is unfair.