I am trying to understand as much as possible about socialism as well as other leftist ideologies, and looking around i’ve seen many being critical about democratic socialism, but i honestly struggle to understand why that is such a bad idea as some say. I get that it’s incompatible with ML, but it doesn’t sound so unrealistic and unreasonable to me, so… can you explain? Excuse the ignorance, but as i said socialism is a new topic for me, i mean no offense to anybody
…but the DemSocs are not some of us. Right?
Umm Im gonna be 💯 withbyou here (and ya just ban me IDC) and Ill say I dont see Dem Socs as part of us cause I legitimately believe that for every imstance in which anarchy or communiam is established for each region there will neber bee a process of 100% democratically elected socialist and anarchist community leaders. Like I actualy mean EVERY instance of successfully achieved anarchism or socialism, or even communism, in a region will HAVE to mean a unbleivable amount of death and slaughter of both the bourgeoisie AND the proletariat. BUT of mostly the bourgeoisie, because we will have to violently take back the governmental institutions, resources, etc… which they have stolen from us.
When has this not been the case? You brougjt up Allende. Uhh had Allende made CHile a seige socialist state like Kim Jing Un did NK then Socialist Chile might still exist till today, right?
Isnt this s why siege socialosm is so fucking common ? Because the capitalists and their bribed insider pigs keep on and keep on attempting to and succeeding to sabotage the socialist projects relentlessly , it leaves the socialists with no means but to resort to violence to the bourgeoisie elements both inside and outside the region. Youu brought up how maintaining the crimes of the bourgeoisie will be difficult under a democratic socialist system and thats true cause the former legal and economic institutions that were bought out or created to protect them …are still there! Meanwhile if you just completely vaporize all members of the bourgeoisie , all their bribed institutions, and all those who took bribes to bodyguard for them this problem of bourgeoise crimes also vaporizes , no?
You cannot be ‘democratically peacefiul’ with cheaters whjo rig the game , SA your loved ones , massacre your entire extended family cause 'They were TooBlack©®™ or NotRichEnough©®™, and then have the legal and economic protections to paint you like a tyrant on the international stage.
They are socialists. They may not be effective, they may not hold the values you like, but they are socialists. I dont like the fact that current socialist Burkina Faso just illegalized my people, but they are socialists. Us does not mean carbon copy.
… they arent socialist enough . you just said that.
Whats the point of being part of a big group of people if most of them are ineffective at achieving the group’s goals? Nothing is substantial unless it can substatiate notable changes. Even 9 billiin DemSocs are less worthy of our time than EVEN 1 real commie or anarchist.
Would anyone here trade 9 billion DemSocs for 1 Vladimir Lenin? (And you all better answer that question correctly…)