The weird Lemmy propaganda has been very anti Bernie recently. Corey Booker folded like a lawn chair. I want memes of that genuine failure that just happened. This is lazy OP, lazy AF.
The “Israel has a right to defend itself” line is pure misinformation. Here’s his actual quote, in full:
“Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people.”
against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people."
If you look closely, you’ll find there actually are more words that follow. Keep reading.
He did not say they “have” a right to defend themself, but “had” a right to defend themself against a specific event that occurred. He also makes clear that it is not a valid justification to go to war against all of Palestine.
What issue do you have with his statement, exactly?
The zionazis do NOT have a right to genocide the people. Neither do they have a right to kill those who fight back against the genocide. All zionazis must get nurembergd.
Who are Hamas, how did they come to be and what are they doing? What did they do on the 7th of October, 2023? Why does a settler-colonialist entity have the right to defend itself in this given context? Does it have the right on other contexts? Does it not, and if not, what does that change? Do you recognize what you are defending by virtue of your hyper-examining of a statement that doesn’t change its meaning even after the hyper-examination?
Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have a right to do, in my view, is to kill 12,000 people in six, seven weeks, two-thirds of whom are women and children.
“Israel has the right to defend itself and go to war with Hamas, who started this whole situation,” Sanders said on the Senate floor. “Israel does not have the right to go to war with the entire Palestinian people … And sadly that is what is happening right now.”
From the same source:
“The resolution brought forward by Sen. Sanders is little more than performative left-wing politics,” the Kentucky Republican said. “It is not, as our colleague would suggest, about authorizing a report on aid to Israel. It’s not even about human rights. It’s about tying the hands of a close ally locked in a necessary battle against savage terrorists.”
Team Red, the brother to Team Blue in its shared interest in imperialism, can smell his bullshit from a mile away and have no problem pointing out using non-euphemistic terms that are a reflection of how they really think about Palestine and Palestinians, the last question is, why are you struggling with this?
For as long as these questions remain unanswered truthfully, reality will be very hard to grasp for you.
Reading a full sentence is “hyper-examination” lmaoooooo okie dokie
But questioning the definiton of every word of it when it is plainly obvious isn’t hyper-examination 😂😂
Thanks for providing more examples of his consistent stance on this for me?? Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?
Your “erm, akshually”-esque point makes complete sense when you don’t consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. It’s not an opinion, there’s nothing to “agree” or “disagree” with.
Now quit squirming and answer each and every single question posed. Or what, you wanna pass on the opportunity to show the 10 other people reading this thread how much you understand the subject, since you libs love to tout “nuance” so much when all you do is play semantics?
Quick question, were the Israeli civilians who were killed in a mass killing spree on October 7th human, too?
I realise my other repeated question so far has been pretty tough and you’ve had to try to continuously dodge and deflect from it instead of just simply say the thing you actually think, but this one should be pretty simple and straightforward to just answer with a yes or no, right?? You kinda walked right into it, too, so.
No. “Israeli civilians” is an oxymoron: as Israelis are reservists at best and full-time genociders at least. They’re Europeans/Americans, and they all had a choice in the matter when settling in land that don’t belong to them. History did not begin on the 7th of October, 2023. Refer back to this lovely reply by @m532@lemmygrad.ml who manages to succinctly clear your doubts: https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18363453
I realise my other repeated question so far has been pretty tough and you’ve had to try to continuously dodge and deflect from it instead of just simply say the thing you actually think
Question:
Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?
Answer:
Your “erm, akshually”-esque point makes complete sense when you don’t consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. there’s nothing to “agree” or “disagree” with.
You’re free to use your block button however you choose. To me this looks like a troll intentionally spreading misinformation. I have little benefit of the doubt left to give out to people posting on the internet
That doesn’t make them not a troll spreading misinformation. My requirements for blocking are not “literal bot account”. Again, you are free to make your own choices about how to interact with the internet
Interesting. I mean, I’m sure Bernie has faults but I don’t really see the point in attacking someone who created and is holding the only tent pole for, frankly, a reasonable middle of the road candidate (if we view him in comparison to the rest of the sane world).
I get giving shit to Corey Booker. People are gray. I can list a handful of things that Corey has done lately that fit this meme.
I honestly don’t even know what this meme is referring to maybe I’m out of the loop.
But I agree with you, attacking Bernie isn’t the way. Reeks of agent provocateur.
My guess is it’s a fresh wave of propaganda to wedge the progressives. What’s new.
People don’t have to be perfect for us to join the cause and make it better. Don’t fall for it kids. We only get out of this if we ignore this bullshit and link arms.
Ps: and look, I get it if Bernie isn’t left enough for some of you. That’s ok to feel that way and it’s probably true for a good lot of you. But attacking him ain’t gonna solve the massive fuckstorm we are collectively going to go through. We either quit bullshit like this or die from factionalization. Like every other movement has in the past 95 years.
I think the biggest reason Bernie gets more hate from the Left is because in many ways people were radicalized by him, and then outrgrew him. He’s disappointing. He did a good job of getting many liberals to adopt more progressive views, but he will constantly fold because that’s all he can do with the strategy he takes. Electoralism doesn’t work, and those radicalized by Bernie increasingly see that and feel betrayed.
There are also those that weren’t radicalized by Bernie, and thus always saw him as a sheepdog for the Empire.
I understand that his lack of success is due to the way the US government works. My point is that that’s the primary impedement for him, trying to work with a system designed against change, rather than trying to undermine that very system.
The fact that it’s been the primary strategy for achieving genuine positive change against the will of the ruling vlass for as long as class society has existed.
Yes, I appreciate that Bernie moved me further left than I was already. Although, if I had more political consciousness before Bernie arrived on the scene, that shift would have happened irregardless. I dropped out of politics for about a good decade (after being disillusioned with Obama’s first term) and he got me back thinking that a real progressive had a shot.
But after the last ten years, it’s quite evident that the progressive wing of the Dems are merely a pressure release valve, same that the Dems are for the Republicans. It just keeps people endlessly mired within the constraints of a system that will not move leftward no matter the consequences of not doing so.
After reading enough Marxist literature, it’s clear Marx was right, and that only a revolution ending in the dismantling of the current system and installation of a worker’s controlled one, will create any meaningful and lasting change for the working classes.
A fantastic book covering the American political system, is “Democracy Inc” by Sheldon S. Wolin, which wrote about how the system is constructed to give the semblance of democratic participation but, is in fact, what he terms a “managed democracy”, in which the levers of the democratic processes are manipulated to a minute degree. He wrote this book in ~2006, I believe, which just goes to show how long this horse and pony show has been going on for (probably FAR longer).
You reposted someone else’s lazy propaganda. Which is intellectually lazy on your part. The rest of the Israel quote is above and that by it’s self should embarrass you if you’re genuine.
Sorry you love politicians and can’t see or laugh at the sad truth of the capitalist shit hole empire. The only embarrassing thing here here is the loser who goes on to lemmy to karen on memes.
You’re ratio’d 1:2+ on Lemmy.ml. Call me a loser when you post lonely pictures of your lunch. And insist on taking quotes as fragments like a fox news viewer…
AAhahahahahahahahaha like I give a fuck about Lemmy ratios, thanks for taking the time to view my profile, it is Friday and that is how you spent it, loser. I would never click yours or care what you think about anything. You are the least worthwhile person who has ever messaged me here. Why don’t you go study the votes some more that I don’t even bother to federate to my instance for the rest of your night. You’re on an anarchist instance and are defending a politician lol. God you are a pathetic fuck.
Anything before or after that quote is to be understood as pure pearl-clutching/handwringing from a both-sideser.
Which part of the image is wrong (which by the looks of it, you’re conflating “wrong”/“incorrect” with the word “propaganda” ) or “intellectually lazy”, again?
Ok, let’s talk nuance since you libs love to terminate your thinking process before it even started. I raise the same questions to you as I did another user:
The weird Lemmy propaganda has been very anti Bernie recently. Corey Booker folded like a lawn chair. I want memes of that genuine failure that just happened. This is lazy OP, lazy AF.
Block button exists for a reason. I’m using mine.
The “Israel has a right to defend itself” line is pure misinformation. Here’s his actual quote, in full:
“Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people.”
"the ‘israel has a right to defend itself’ line is pure misinformation, he actually said ‘israel has a right to defend itself’ "
incredible stuff from the brightest minds here on Lemmy
If you look closely, you’ll find there actually are more words that follow. Keep reading.
He did not say they “have” a right to defend themself, but “had” a right to defend themself against a specific event that occurred. He also makes clear that it is not a valid justification to go to war against all of Palestine.
What issue do you have with his statement, exactly?
The zionazis do NOT have a right to genocide the people. Neither do they have a right to kill those who fight back against the genocide. All zionazis must get nurembergd.
Who are Hamas, how did they come to be and what are they doing? What did they do on the 7th of October, 2023? Why does a settler-colonialist entity have the right to defend itself in this given context? Does it have the right on other contexts? Does it not, and if not, what does that change? Do you recognize what you are defending by virtue of your hyper-examining of a statement that doesn’t change its meaning even after the hyper-examination?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/28/bernie_sanders_israel_has_a_right_to_defend_itself_but_not_to_kill_12000_innocent_people_in_response.html
https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2024/01/16/u-s-senate-turns-aside-bernie-sanders-measure-to-order-human-rights-inquiry-of-israel/
From the same source:
Team Red, the brother to Team Blue in its shared interest in imperialism, can smell his bullshit from a mile away and have no problem pointing out using non-euphemistic terms that are a reflection of how they really think about Palestine and Palestinians, the last question is, why are you struggling with this?
For as long as these questions remain unanswered truthfully, reality will be very hard to grasp for you.
Reading a full sentence is “hyper-examination” lmaoooooo okie dokie
But questioning the definiton of every word of it when it is plainly obvious isn’t hyper-examination 😂😂
Thanks for providing more examples of his consistent stance on this for me?? Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?
Your “erm, akshually”-esque point makes complete sense when you don’t consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. It’s not an opinion, there’s nothing to “agree” or “disagree” with.
Now quit squirming and answer each and every single question posed. Or what, you wanna pass on the opportunity to show the 10 other people reading this thread how much you understand the subject, since you libs love to tout “nuance” so much when all you do is play semantics?
Quick question, were the Israeli civilians who were killed in a mass killing spree on October 7th human, too?
I realise my other repeated question so far has been pretty tough and you’ve had to try to continuously dodge and deflect from it instead of just simply say the thing you actually think, but this one should be pretty simple and straightforward to just answer with a yes or no, right?? You kinda walked right into it, too, so.
No. “Israeli civilians” is an oxymoron: as Israelis are reservists at best and full-time genociders at least. They’re Europeans/Americans, and they all had a choice in the matter when settling in land that don’t belong to them. History did not begin on the 7th of October, 2023. Refer back to this lovely reply by @m532@lemmygrad.ml who manages to succinctly clear your doubts: https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18363453
Question:
Answer:
Britain (the Empire that helped give birth to the settler-colonial entity) Considered Israel Bigger Threat Than USSR in 1945
Please Watch This Before Saying Anything About Israel/Palestine
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and the Creation of Israel (How We Got Here)
Whether my questions are answered or not, reality won’t be forgiving, unfortunately for you soon enough you’ll have to come to terms with it, lib.
Eh seems like this is just a lazy repost not something intentional or spammy. Your full quote probably straitened OP out.
You’re free to use your block button however you choose. To me this looks like a troll intentionally spreading misinformation. I have little benefit of the doubt left to give out to people posting on the internet
Yeah this guy posts his lunch. He’s just a tankie that fell for a pretty meme
That doesn’t make them not a troll spreading misinformation. My requirements for blocking are not “literal bot account”. Again, you are free to make your own choices about how to interact with the internet
Interesting. I mean, I’m sure Bernie has faults but I don’t really see the point in attacking someone who created and is holding the only tent pole for, frankly, a reasonable middle of the road candidate (if we view him in comparison to the rest of the sane world).
I get giving shit to Corey Booker. People are gray. I can list a handful of things that Corey has done lately that fit this meme.
I honestly don’t even know what this meme is referring to maybe I’m out of the loop.
But I agree with you, attacking Bernie isn’t the way. Reeks of agent provocateur.
My guess is it’s a fresh wave of propaganda to wedge the progressives. What’s new.
People don’t have to be perfect for us to join the cause and make it better. Don’t fall for it kids. We only get out of this if we ignore this bullshit and link arms.
Ps: and look, I get it if Bernie isn’t left enough for some of you. That’s ok to feel that way and it’s probably true for a good lot of you. But attacking him ain’t gonna solve the massive fuckstorm we are collectively going to go through. We either quit bullshit like this or die from factionalization. Like every other movement has in the past 95 years.
I think the biggest reason Bernie gets more hate from the Left is because in many ways people were radicalized by him, and then outrgrew him. He’s disappointing. He did a good job of getting many liberals to adopt more progressive views, but he will constantly fold because that’s all he can do with the strategy he takes. Electoralism doesn’t work, and those radicalized by Bernie increasingly see that and feel betrayed.
There are also those that weren’t radicalized by Bernie, and thus always saw him as a sheepdog for the Empire.
He’s quite literally alone in the senate. He cannot do anything do himself, that’s not how a Republic works.
I understand that his lack of success is due to the way the US government works. My point is that that’s the primary impedement for him, trying to work with a system designed against change, rather than trying to undermine that very system.
What makes you think that would be any more successful?
The fact that it’s been the primary strategy for achieving genuine positive change against the will of the ruling vlass for as long as class society has existed.
Yes, I appreciate that Bernie moved me further left than I was already. Although, if I had more political consciousness before Bernie arrived on the scene, that shift would have happened irregardless. I dropped out of politics for about a good decade (after being disillusioned with Obama’s first term) and he got me back thinking that a real progressive had a shot.
But after the last ten years, it’s quite evident that the progressive wing of the Dems are merely a pressure release valve, same that the Dems are for the Republicans. It just keeps people endlessly mired within the constraints of a system that will not move leftward no matter the consequences of not doing so.
After reading enough Marxist literature, it’s clear Marx was right, and that only a revolution ending in the dismantling of the current system and installation of a worker’s controlled one, will create any meaningful and lasting change for the working classes.
Yep, the entire system is built to give the illusion that it’s capable of change, while giving all of the reigns to Capital.
A fantastic book covering the American political system, is “Democracy Inc” by Sheldon S. Wolin, which wrote about how the system is constructed to give the semblance of democratic participation but, is in fact, what he terms a “managed democracy”, in which the levers of the democratic processes are manipulated to a minute degree. He wrote this book in ~2006, I believe, which just goes to show how long this horse and pony show has been going on for (probably FAR longer).
It’s been going on since the conception of the US Electoral system, that’s what it’s been designed to do from the beginning.
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Weird could it be because Bernie is trying to sheepdog people back into the DNC again?
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How on earth am I the lazy one here? You did literally nothing, why don’t you make that shitty meme and post it if you want it so bad
You reposted someone else’s lazy propaganda. Which is intellectually lazy on your part. The rest of the Israel quote is above and that by it’s self should embarrass you if you’re genuine.
Sorry you love politicians and can’t see or laugh at the sad truth of the capitalist shit hole empire. The only embarrassing thing here here is the loser who goes on to lemmy to karen on memes.
This isn’t about loving politicians this is about you being a fuckin idiot spreading literal lies and misinformation about them.
You’re ratio’d 1:2+ on Lemmy.ml. Call me a loser when you post lonely pictures of your lunch. And insist on taking quotes as fragments like a fox news viewer…
AAhahahahahahahahaha like I give a fuck about Lemmy ratios, thanks for taking the time to view my profile, it is Friday and that is how you spent it, loser. I would never click yours or care what you think about anything. You are the least worthwhile person who has ever messaged me here. Why don’t you go study the votes some more that I don’t even bother to federate to my instance for the rest of your night. You’re on an anarchist instance and are defending a politician lol. God you are a pathetic fuck.
Yet you respond with a defensive wall.
Chill out, treat yourself to some beef wellington and consider that perhaps, context might be important.
The quote thing has been aptly noted by another user here already, actually. Have a look, it’ll knock your lib socks right off:
https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18359532
Here’s another instance of Bernie saying the quote:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/28/bernie_sanders_israel_has_a_right_to_defend_itself_but_not_to_kill_12000_innocent_people_in_response.html
Anything before or after that quote is to be understood as pure pearl-clutching/handwringing from a both-sideser.
Which part of the image is wrong (which by the looks of it, you’re conflating “wrong”/“incorrect” with the word “propaganda” ) or “intellectually lazy”, again?
Nuance. You’ll likely never understand the word but others find it important. Your post history made me laugh though so thanks lol
Ok, let’s talk nuance since you libs love to terminate your thinking process before it even started. I raise the same questions to you as I did another user:
https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18363866
Making the meme was hardly an achievement, since you used AI
I did nothing of the sort, I stole this from elsewhere