Considering the magnitude of what has happened - a full fledged invasion of a sovereign country - I’m more impressed that this shows no signs or true escalation beyond some bluster from Putin. I just hope it remains contained and is resolved soon. Unfortunately, that’s going to be cold comfort to the people whose lives are now bombed out apartment buildings.
Half of those (Libya and Yemen) were as much an intervention in the outbreak of a civil war as anything else. Afghanistan… the Taliban was harboring terrorists who had just delivered a devastating strike on US civilians. Forgive me if I dismiss that one. I agree on Iraq. Sometimes I compare Bush to Trump and think “maybe Bush wasn’t so bad”, but then I remember the Iraq war. Bush lied, people died.
But this war was not necessary and the area was stable before Putin barged in. That’s the difference.
Your comment would make sense if u.s. propaganda represented reality, but it doesnt. The 9/11 terrorists were all from saudi arabia, but that country was never attacked. And Ukraine was not stable, it waged a war and genocide on its own population in Donbass since 2014.
Why the whataboutism? You’re trying to invalidate their opinion by mentioning all the other atrocities in the world. People can be upset about any invasion in particular, including the invasion of Ukraine. Is that an unpopular opinion on this platform?
Ukraine stopped being sovereign in 2014. Check the Nuland-Pyatt leaked call, and for more context the relationship between Kolomoisky and Zelensky, and how the democratically elected Yanukovich was forced to flee.
I read through that transcript. There’s no hint that the US has any role more than helping the democratically elected leaders to come to an agreement on forming a government. And they were apparently working to freeze the Svoboda party, which has been accused of Nazi ties, out of the political process. Meanwhile, they’re now being invaded by a man who hasn’t experienced a free and fair election in what, two decades?
This is pure insanity. Cold War stuff.
The 2nd Cold war begun some years ago, it just gone (a little) hot recently
Considering the magnitude of what has happened - a full fledged invasion of a sovereign country - I’m more impressed that this shows no signs or true escalation beyond some bluster from Putin. I just hope it remains contained and is resolved soon. Unfortunately, that’s going to be cold comfort to the people whose lives are now bombed out apartment buildings.
Yes because there has never been an invasion of a sovereign country in this century. Certainly not in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen or Iraq.
Half of those (Libya and Yemen) were as much an intervention in the outbreak of a civil war as anything else. Afghanistan… the Taliban was harboring terrorists who had just delivered a devastating strike on US civilians. Forgive me if I dismiss that one. I agree on Iraq. Sometimes I compare Bush to Trump and think “maybe Bush wasn’t so bad”, but then I remember the Iraq war. Bush lied, people died.
But this war was not necessary and the area was stable before Putin barged in. That’s the difference.
Your comment would make sense if u.s. propaganda represented reality, but it doesnt. The 9/11 terrorists were all from saudi arabia, but that country was never attacked. And Ukraine was not stable, it waged a war and genocide on its own population in Donbass since 2014.
Why the whataboutism? You’re trying to invalidate their opinion by mentioning all the other atrocities in the world. People can be upset about any invasion in particular, including the invasion of Ukraine. Is that an unpopular opinion on this platform?
Oh yes, comparing similar things is insert buzzword here.
Logic hurts doesn’t it.
Ukraine stopped being sovereign in 2014. Check the Nuland-Pyatt leaked call, and for more context the relationship between Kolomoisky and Zelensky, and how the democratically elected Yanukovich was forced to flee.
I read through that transcript. There’s no hint that the US has any role more than helping the democratically elected leaders to come to an agreement on forming a government. And they were apparently working to freeze the Svoboda party, which has been accused of Nazi ties, out of the political process. Meanwhile, they’re now being invaded by a man who hasn’t experienced a free and fair election in what, two decades?
Then how is Svoboda and Right Sektor active and thriving now? Nazi Black Sun medal soldiers must be also a coincidence, right?
Because Ukraine is a sovereign state and people will vote in ways that the US wishes they wouldn’t.
And Ukraine stopped being a sovereign state since 2014. See, you are using circular loop logic now.